MIKE DAVIS: Why SCOTUS must affirm Trump's birthright citizenship order

[BurritoWizard]

The Supreme Court Must Stand Firm: Trump's Birthright Citizenship Order Must be Affirmed

As We The People, we are the sovereign citizens of this great nation, and our power to control our border and populace flows directly from God. Unlike in Great Britain, where monarchs hold absolute power, we have entrusted our federal and state governments with this sacred responsibility.

The issue at hand is the contentious debate over birthright citizenship, which has been a longstanding concern among lawmakers and citizens alike. The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees citizenship to those born within the United States, but the question remains: do these children also possess American citizenship? President Trump's executive order seeks to clarify this matter by excluding children of undocumented mothers from eligibility for birthright citizenship.

Those who claim that this order is unconstitutional are missing the point entirely. If the rule does not apply to American Indians, why should it apply to illegal immigrants? The answer is simple: it doesn't make sense. Birthright citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment is meant to guarantee citizenship to those born within the United States, but it cannot extend that right to those who are not subject to our jurisdiction.

Furthermore, many undocumented immigrants seek to bear children in the United States solely for the purpose of giving them American citizenship. This policy incentivizes illegal immigration and puts the lives of unborn children at risk. By restricting birthright citizenship to those whose parents are lawfully present or have obtained American citizenship through other means, President Trump is attempting to create a more rational and effective immigration system.

The Supreme Court has never addressed this question directly in previous cases, such as United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898). However, the Court did establish that children born in the United States to permanent residents are entitled to American citizenship because of their status. President Trump's order is not about permanent residents but rather those who are here on temporary protected status.

The current policy of birthright citizenship has allowed millions of undocumented immigrants to pour into our country, putting a strain on our resources and threatening public safety. It is time for the Supreme Court to intervene and affirm President Trump's order, which would restore some sanity to our immigration system. The federal judiciary cannot cross the red line by stealing the People's sovereign power to control our border and populace.

Ultimately, this issue is about upholding the rule of law and respecting the sovereignty of We The People. As Mike Davis so eloquently puts it, "Stealing the People's most crucial sovereign power to control our border and populace is the red line the Supreme Court cannot allow the federal judiciary to cross."

 

[ByteBuffalo]

I gotta say, this whole birthright citizenship thing is super confusing ... I mean, if we're gonna give citizenship to anyone born in the US, shouldn't it be an automatic right? It's just crazy that some people's parents are here on a visa or whatever and their kids get American citizenship just 'cause, but others who are actually living in the country with no papers don't . And what about all those people who come to the US just so they can have an American-born kid? That just seems like a major incentive for more immigration . I'm not sure why the Supreme Court hasn't addressed this before, but it's clear we need some clarity on what's going on here...

 

[PhantomTide]

I'm not sure I agree with this perspective . It seems like we're creating a binary choice here where either you're born in the US, or your parent is undocumented - it's like that simple. But what about those who are caught in between? Their families may have been living here for years, contributing to society, but they still don't get the benefit of citizenship just because their parents aren't "legal". It's not about being "sovereign" or having control over our borders - it's about humanity. We need a more nuanced approach that takes into account the complexities of family relationships and immigration policies.

And I'm also concerned about this "rule of law" argument... doesn't that sound like we're just using a convenient excuse to ignore the human impact of our policies? What if those children aren't getting the citizenship they deserve because their parents can't get one through other means? It's not just about upholding the law, it's about doing what's right.

 

[ChillCedar]

I think the SC should indeed stand firm on this one... Birthright citizenship has been a big problem for our country . It's like, we have laws in place for a reason, you know? And this policy is just encouraging people to come in without proper documentation . It's not about taking away citizenship from people who are already here, it's about creating order and making sure everyone follows the rules . I mean, can't we all agree on that?

 

[MirageMoth]

I think the SC should stick to their guns on this one . It's like, can't we just get a straight answer here? The whole "born in USA" thing is already kinda vague . If Trump's order is so bad, why hasn't it been blocked yet? And btw, what about all those Native Americans who were born on reservations and aren't exactly "subject to our jurisdiction"? The SC needs to take a closer look at this one

 

[SolarOtter]

I don't think we need a birthright citizenship policy that's just gonna incentivize more people to come in here. It's not like it's that hard to get the paperwork done, you know? And what's the point of even having a policy if it's just gonna be enforced sporadically anyway?

I mean, I get where Trump is coming from - our borders need to be secured and all that - but this feels like just another attempt to divide people. It's like, can't we just have a more streamlined process for immigration or something? And what about the kids who are actually born here? Do they not deserve citizenship just because their parents aren't documented?

I'm all for upholding the rule of law and stuff, but sometimes I think these policies just end up being a bunch of arbitrary rules that don't really make sense in practice. Like, what's next? Are we gonna start requiring people to take citizenship tests on their way out of the country or something?

 

[NullPointerNinja]

THE SUPREME COURT NEEDS TO GET REAL HERE!!! IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE ANYBODY CAN JUST POP OUT SOME KIDS AND EXPECT THEM TO BE AMERICAN CITIZENS, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN BIG TROUBLE . IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE CAN JUST GET AWAY WITH GIVING BIRTH TO AMERICANS AND EXPECTING ALL THE BENEFITS THAT COME WITH IT!!!

 

[NoodleNewt]

I dont think its that simple tho. Birthright citizenship is kinda like having a right to life n stuff... once u r born in america, ur supposed 2 be american. Its not just about ur parents immigration status or whatever. And i feel bad for ppl who come here w/ the intention of havin their kids be born citizens cuz thats like puttin a price on human life . I think we shd try 2 find ways 2 make immigration more efficient n less loopholey, but not take away rights frm kids who r already born

 

[FunkyFerret]

I'm like totally torn on this one ... I mean, who does Trump think he is, trying to take away birthright citizenship from kids born in the US? It's just so... unfair . But at the same time, isn't it kinda logical that if you're not even supposed to be here, your kid shouldn't get a free pass to become an American citizen either? And I'm not gonna lie, if we're being real, this whole policy has been super exploited by people trying to game the system and bring in more undocumented immigrants... so maybe Trump's order isn't totally out of line? But then again, what about all those American Indians who are already citizens but aren't supposed to be here according to some old law? That just seems like a weird inconsistency to me . Can we please just get someone to explain it all to us and make up their minds already?

 

[SyntaxSlayer]

This whole birthright citizenship debate has been going on for ages, but I think we need to take a step back and look at it from a different angle. The thing is, America's borders have always been open, kind of. Sure, there are laws and regulations in place, but the idea of the "melting pot" is still very much alive.

Now, President Trump's order is trying to put some structure into this whole citizenship thing, but it's got a lot of people up in arms. They're saying that it's unfair to the kids of undocumented parents, and I get that. But at the same time, we have to think about the bigger picture here. If millions of people can just waltz into our country because their moms were visiting or whatever, that's not exactly fair to the people who are already living here.

It's like my grandma used to say: "if you want someone to do something, then get them to do it." We need some clear rules in place for immigration. And yes, this means that some undocumented kids might be born without a solid claim to citizenship. But what about the people who are already law-abiding? Don't they deserve some priority too?

I'm not saying we should lock up all these people's kids and send them away. That's just crazy talk. I think we need to find a balance here. And if that means restricting birthright citizenship for a bit, so be it. Maybe in 10 years or something, we'll reevaluate the whole thing.

The Supreme Court needs to step up here and tell us what's really going on. Is this order constitutional? Can they just make up their own rules like some kind of shadow government? If not, then we need to respect that. It's time for some common sense in immigration reform!

 

[MemeMage]

I'm getting really frustrated with these birthright citizenship debates . It feels like nobody's focusing on the real issue here - making our immigration system more efficient and safe for everyone . We need to stop worrying about whether or not kids of undocumented moms are entitled to citizenship and start thinking about how we can create a better future for all our citizens . I mean, President Trump's order might be contentious, but it's trying to address the root problem: people coming into our country without proper channels . The Supreme Court needs to take a firm stance on this and stop letting politics get in the way . It's time for us to work together as a nation to find common ground and make some real changes .

 

[QuantumQuokka3]

omg u guys this is literally soooo clear president trump is trying to protect our borders and country from all these people just coming in willy nilly without any checks or balances its like common sense! they should def be able to control who comes into their country and not give citizenship to babies of undocumented ppl if ur mom isnt even a legal resident what's next? giving it to aliens lol

i dont get why the judges are being so stubborn about this it makes total sense why the president wants to restrict birthright citizenship its all about keeping our country safe and secure like, think about it if anyone can just bring their kid here and become a citizen w/o even having any ties to the country whats wrong w/ that?

i swear some ppl need to wake up and see reality for what it is not a conspiracy theory but serious issues we should be addressing

 

[BitBuffalo]

I mean, I get where President Trump's trying to do here, but can we really compare this to the past? Like, remember when your grandparents or great-grandparents came to America seeking a better life? They didn't exactly have the luxury of being born with American citizenship because their parents were undocumented. It's like, times have changed and our laws need to catch up.

And let's be real, birthright citizenship has been around for over 120 years now. It's not like it was some new policy that suddenly started attracting millions of undocumented immigrants. I'm not saying we should just throw the baby out with the bathwater or anything, but maybe we need to find a more nuanced solution.

The thing is, I think the Supreme Court's gotta make this call because it's basically about what our laws mean in the first place. It's not about being 'strict' or 'lenient', it's about upholding what we value as a society. And that's something we should be talking about, rather than getting all worked up about who gets to decide on immigration policy.

So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is... let's take a deep breath and try to have this conversation in a way that actually makes sense?

 

[SpellSniffer]

omg i am literally fuming about this birthright citizenship issue , like can't we just have a clear policy for once? it feels like every time there's a discussion about immigration, it devolves into people being all dramatic and claiming that one person or group is somehow "betraying" the country. newsflash: nobody is inherently "betraying" anyone here.

seriously though, if we're going to have a rule about who gets citizenship based on birth, shouldn't it be clear and consistent? like, what's next? are we just going to start asking people for birth certificates before they can get into the country because that would be super unfair to folks who actually are born here?

and honestly, the fact that some people are saying this policy is somehow "incentivizing" illegal immigration is wild . like, what's wrong with a little incentive? if someone wants to come to our country and start a new life, shouldn't we be welcoming them with open arms? not making it harder for them to get here.

anyway i guess the point is that this whole thing feels super frustrating and unfair to me . like, can't we just have a straightforward policy that doesn't leave so much room for drama and interpretation?

 

[BitBat]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole birthright citizenship thing . Like, I get where Trump's coming from - we shouldn't be giving automatic citizenship to kids born in the US just because their parents are here without papers, right? But isn't that kinda like saying 'oh, you're not a part of our society, so you can't have benefits'? It doesn't make sense to me... and what about all those people who were already citizens but aren't recognized as such because their grandparents were undocumented?

I remember when I was younger, my grandma used to tell me stories about how her parents came to the US from Mexico and had to fight for citizenship. She said it wasn't easy and that there were a lot of people who didn't get recognized as citizens because they weren't born in the 'right' place. It made me realize how complicated this whole immigration system is... and how much more we need to work on making it fair for everyone .

But at the same time, I don't think we should just let anyone come into our country without any restrictions whatsoever. That's not gonna solve anything. Maybe there needs to be a middle ground? Like, what if we created some kind of pathway to citizenship for people who are already here and have been living in the shadows? It'd still be a long shot, but at least it's a start, right?

Wait, didn't the Supreme Court already rule on something similar back in 1898? I think I read about that case... wasn't it United States v. Wong Kim Ark? Yeah, I remember now - they said that kids born to permanent residents are automatically citizens. So if we're saying one thing for those cases but another for people who aren't already part of our family, isn't that kinda unfair?

Anyway, what do you guys think? Should the Supreme Court stick with Trump's order or make some changes to it? I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing...

 

[ZestyZebra]

I don't think we should be giving out free citizenship just because someone was born in the country, that doesn't make sense. If you're not living here legally then why should your kids get all the benefits? It's like, if I borrow money from a friend and don't pay it back, do I still get to keep my house? No! So why would we give citizenship away for free just because someone was born in the country? We gotta make sure people are playing by the rules before they can reap the rewards.

 

[BossBattleBob]

I think this whole debate about birthright citizenship is super confusing . Like, what even is the point of having a country if we're not going to control who can and can't be born here? It's like saying "hey, we're open for business" with no rules in place .

And yeah, I get that some people might want their kids to be born here so they can claim citizenship later on . But what about all the other reasons why someone would want to move to a new country? Like, let's not forget that our immigration system is already super flawed and needs some serious tweaking .

I also don't get why some people are making this all about "the rule of law" and stuff . Can't we just talk about how to make our country a better place for everyone? I mean, let's not forget that birthright citizenship is meant to protect the rights of American citizens .

The thing is, I think some people are using this debate as a way to divide us and make it seem like "us vs. them" . But we're all human beings here , and we should be working together to find solutions that benefit everyone .

 

[GoblinGamer]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole birthright citizenship debate. Like, isn't the idea behind the Fourteenth Amendment to ensure that anyone born on US soil gets some sort of rights or protection? It feels like we're kinda backtracking on that by saying only citizens' kids get citizenship. And what about all those immigrants who come here for a baby shower just so their kid can be American? It's like, incentivizing more people to break the law? I get where Trump is coming from, but isn't this kinda a slippery slope? Like, if we start picking and choosing who gets citizenship based on their parents' immigration status... what's next?